July 22, 2008

It would have been nice to see the cost and expected lives saved per year on these numbers. I'm sure that the 7 trillion number is just because noone is expected to die from wood-preserving chemicals being unlisted, but how much was actually spent would be a good thing to know.

In terms of airport security the article does a good job in stressing that the 9/11 attacks have made passengers more likely to fight back, which is a security measure that costs nothing. All of the measures that have been instituted are reactionary, but future terrorists know that thing that have been tried before are met with more resistance the next time, so likelyhood of an attack along that vector is reduced. It would also be interesting to put the annoying measures (liquids/ shoe removal) in terms of productivity-hours lost.  

And of course, wouldn't it be wonderful to have it pointed out that there are about 10,000 causes of death that are more likely than terrorism?

Monthly traffic fatalities are roughly equal to the 11 September attacks. Yet we're willing to readjust our lifestyles to preventing terrorism, while we balk at a 55 mph speed limit. 

This is also good: "The Quixotic Quest for Invulnerability: Assessing the Costs, Benefits, and Probabilities of Protecting the Homeland"

1. The number of potential terrorist targets is essentially infinite.

2. The probability that any individual target will be attacked is essentially zero.

3. If one potential target happens to enjoy a degree of protection, the agile terrorist usually can readily move on to another one.

4. Most targets are "vulnerable" in that it is not very difficult to damage them, but invulnerable in that they can be rebuilt in fairly short order and at tolerable expense.

5. It is essentially impossible to make a very wide variety of potential terrorist targets invulnerable except by completely closing them down.

One thing none of the anti-terrorism planners want to admit is that even if you perfectly harden the Airports then terrorists will go after the Shopping Malls, and mutatis mutandis

I've been thinking about the $6T cost per life saved for the wood-preserving chemicals. There's no way that is the actual cost of that effort (right?) and that one life is saved. But if zero lives are saved then the cost per life is obviously infinite. These leaves only two possibilities that I can think of:

1 - There is some statistical designation for partial lives saved (and how would THAT work?)

2 - Something in their math bumped up against the integer limit of the processor they were using to do the calculations

Is there some other possibility that I'm missing? 

It very well might be partial lives saved--when you think about the asbestos thing, it poisons you over the long term if you are exposed to it. The only sensible way to say that asbestos "killed" you is to say that you lived to 55 when you died of asbestos poisioning, when you otherwise would have died at 70. So, the asbestos removed 15 years from your life, meaning that you lost about 21% of your life due to the asbestos poisioning (15/71 [avg. life expectancy at birth]=21%).

I don't know for sure that they're doing this, but the fact that the things that are low on the list are instant killers (seat belts/airbags), while the things high on the list are more carcinogenic and whatnot, leads me to think that they're making some sort of calculation like this. 

That's a really good question HC. The fact that it was 7M x 1M totally passed me by.

It is definitely fractional statistical lives; I just noticed the second (more detailed) paper isn't available to hoi polloi, but the other Viscusi paper covers it. (If you want the one paper just email me).

Also: it's differential lives saved; the number of deaths from asbestos by banning it and removing it vs. the number of deaths if you don't. Sure, people die from poisoning, but tamper-proof seals on cold drinks don't really save lives.

If the chemicals were mostly harmless; and making it onto the list causes all sorts of cumbersome OHSA regulations; then everything with wood preserving chemicals might get a lot more expensive... For instance, the wood to build every house constructed in the US?

The implications of that could be: since we're around wood with those chemicals anyway, IF they're hazardous then sequelae of improper waste disposal is the least of our worries. Just as with the tamper-proof seals, perhaps there's a correlated risk, and a lot of effort targeted to a statistically insignificant contingency. 

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